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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Nov 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday night with Pierre and the gang. We continue our looking into Book 8 of Plato’s Republic and the various constitutions, or kinds of souls, modelled after the 5 types listed in Book 8. Highlights JeffL: who would represent the ‘Democratic man’ (democratic in the Republic sense) America: 50% Plato’s psychology: the descent in tyranny of any individual soul Given Plato’s analysis in Book 8, is there any way out? Is this another example of Plato having the right question,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book08
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Oct 30, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday night with Pierre and some of the NS members on Zoom. Most of the conversation tonight is about Trump and how philosophy (and especially Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery) might be able to clear up the problem of fascist (and nationalist) thinking in our country and the world. Highlights Trump and Fascism: An opportunity for learning and philosophy Midwifing a Nation A 6 term analogy Trump’s neice’s book Why do we put up with tyrants? What does it take to wake up our...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1
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Oct 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Discussion of beginning of Plato’s Republic again with Jed; Three dream explorations; a question about Appolonius from Chris Highlights Third go with with Jed attempting to answer Pierre’s question about what is going on on page 1 of Plato’s Republic: Why does Socrates stay in the Piraeus and go with Glaucon to Cephalus’ house, and not return to Athens? How do you spot a reason? How do you recognize a motive? What conclusions are definitive, i.e., they solve the problem? Dream...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
Synopsis Another interesting, curious Friday evening with Pierre.. This time discussing multiple subjects, and doing one dream. Highlights Regina will be teaching a (Euclid’s) Geometry class using Rod Walbank’s model which he taught her in his class Literalism Dream analysis Pierre’s story about Enlightenment, and Reincarnation Understanding Symmetry Every single principle necessary for the dialectic emerges from the 4th dimension. Sensation, Perceptions, Concepts, Intuition Why the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
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Synopsis Pierre introduces a question across Plato’s dialogues. Then he helps Jed, Chris, and Regina explore their dreams. Highlights Consider the ending of each of Plato’s dialogues: Did the person learn or change? (The real issue is courage .) Jed’s dream exploration, and post-discussion about midwifery Dream explorations with Chris and Regina Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Sat 3 Oct 2020 SCENE 1 My friend Heath had gone to a prison, and when i walked to the prison with him i had given...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Regina explores a dream with Pierre. Later Pierre asks us to consider why all religions and spiritual systems avoid the question of why we are here, why the soul wants to be reborn, and what is the purpose of our existence? Highlights Regina’s dream exploration with Pierre, and encouragement to write on the Self Plato goofed. All religions and spiritual systems have the same problem, and therefore, they are all inadequate. None of them ask, “Why am I here?”, and “Why does the...
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre. We read in the Morrow & Dillon translation of Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre encourages us, as usual, to read carefully, and to see where Proclus misses the mark, but also where he is brilliant. Highlights Book 6, sections 1071-2, p 424(1) Section ii - The Type of Discourse Suitable to the Subject What is being described here? Moving from Real Being to the One What steps must one take to do so? Proclus does not specify What...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, book06, proclus
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Aug 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis JeffL and KateS explore their recent dreams with Pierre on a Friday night. Pierre gives us all tips on philosophical midwifery, and its relationship to philosophy and dreams. Highlights 7:10 Does PMW presuppose a platonic philosophy and Dreamwork and PMW is not for personal enhancement. It is for philosophy It’s not just for getting into our psychology, but working on more noble goals. JeffL’s dream The qualities of Justice as described in Book 6 of Plato’s Republic What does a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
Title Plato: Lysis; Proclus: Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides DDDAS and the Virtues (and their Lack) in Every Past Pathologos Scene Synopsis We were supposed to start this beginner/dialogue track this Friday night, with Plato’s Lysis . It was to be a beginner’s meeting, but it ends up being advanced, talking about Proclus after all, and DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis and Synthesis), as well as the Virtues and Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights Why Lysis? Why did...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and the pathologos and midwifery. Do we need 1 or 2 more causes to account for the pathologos and perhaps also for midwifery? Highlights Must we ask, “What kinds of things have causes?”? What does each of the 7 causes presuppose? That something has come into existence? Does a PL have life? Or not? Thus must it account for “creation”, whenever something has come into existence? What gives...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus,...
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. Pierre asks us to see if we can see the 7 causes in Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights First we make a drawing Example: making a barn workman (efficient/creative cause) plan () for some purpose (that for the sake of which it came into existence) (final cause) instrumental ideal/ideas pragmata (model maker, substance of a model) Self itself emerging, abiding and returning to itself. (Supreme/final cause) Proclus spends...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, philosophical-midwifery, proclus, grimes
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Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and how to approach understanding them. We look at ‘Cause’ in Plato’s Timaeus . Highlights Niko asks a queston about the Cratylus regarding the shuttle Pierre asks: What is the approach you are using to make sense of these 7 causes: what they are and how Plato uses them? What is your method? Eldar, Barbara, Regina, Philly, Sean, and Jed are all asked how they approach understanding the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades, proclus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. What is the 7th Cause? What is the Paradigmatic Cause? Is there a way to distinguish among the many goals that people have that they call their good, and find one that is truly better? Highlights Discussion with Jed about the Final Cause How do we make sense of the 7th Cause? A house An example in the Cratylus How does a person know that they are on the right path? How do you know when you are on the road to Reality? How do you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades,...
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Jun 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis After exploring JeffL’s dream , Pierre has us look again at the first few lines of the First Hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Highlights (with JulieH) reading of first three lines of Hyp1 (2018-jas-formatted version) How do the parts know where to go? Do some wholes comprehend the parts, and others do not? How does a part become a part of a whole? Is Part/Whole an invention we’ve made? Where does the Intelligibility come from? As you look at the first page now, the first 5...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday evening with Pierre and the gang. About an hour and three quarters spent exploring two dreams , sandwiched between about 20 minutes of questions from our members (here). Topic Highlights First few minutes: KevinG asks what is the relation between Self and the Destiny of Man Then we spend the majority of the evening exploring dreams Last few minutes: Jed’s question How can an “If” statement (like the 9 hypotheses we find in the Parmenides) lead to Truth? How can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis Tonight we continue our study of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre had asked us to bring with us to tonight’s discussion any questions we have on the first hypothesis. So he fields questions from Regina, JeffL, and Ged. Barbara does bring up another issue, but we never came back around to it. Perhaps we will tomorrow . At about 0:13:19, Pierre stops to explore a dream with Regina , which I spliced out into a separate recording. Then we return here to continue our discussion of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPMW, ion, being-the-one
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Synopsis This Friday night, we continue working on Plato’s Ion with Pierre. Our ‘homework’ for today had been to read (or re-read) book 1 of Plato’s Republic – usually we use the Rouse ( ISBN:978-0451471703 ) or the Balboa – and collect a list of the points made there about what an ‘art’ is, so that we could consider its applicability here in the Ion . Most of Pierre’s questions are below. For more study questions and discussion, please see also our other sessions on the Ion...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, ion, republic, iliad, homer
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May 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We mostly explore the Parmenides Prologue and 1st hypothesis on this Friday night Jitsi with Pierre. There are several cuts, because Pierre explores a dream with Philly , and also at one point Pierre’s connection goes out, and we discuss Parmenides in pieces and a little of the Ion, while we to wait about half an hour for Pierre to return. Topic Highlights Chit-chat with Regina and Eldar on what they’ve been up to Barbara’s question to Pierre about peri (‘about’, not...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1
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Synopsis We spend another Friday night with Pierre, first doing some dreams and then (here) studying the first hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides , ( Balboa translation ). We start out by taking a look at some of the first exchanges in the second hypothesis and comparing the terms there with those used in the first. Topic Highlights In the opening paragraphs of the Hyp2, and can we see anything going on there that has its parallel with Hyp1? In H2, he has to make sure that we the reader...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1, hyp2
Synopsis A fun and intense Friday evening with Pierre over Jitsi. First, we do some dreams . Then we return and dive into a discussion of the Parmenides. Pierre gives us new instructions on how to read -- using a process he defines as intuition -- Plato's Parmenides itself, by being informed by Proclus’ works, Theology of Plato (T.Taylor) and Commentary on Plato's Parmenides (Dillon/Morrow). Parmenides 1st hypothesis: Discussion (with Bradley) of the first two lines of the 1st hypothesis, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, theology-of-plato,...
Synopsis Pierre continues to take us through his Athens paper, making the case for a tradition of philosophical midwifery in Homer's time. Today we review step four of Pierre's five points: Dealing with the consequences of the pathologos problem. As before, we particularly reference both of Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers: the 2004 Athens conference paper and its 2005 APPA journal article derivative . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20200501NSFRI Usage License CC...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes
Synopsis Another Friday night meeting Jitsi'ing with Pierre. Dreams from Jed, Belinda, and Grace. We discuss where to go next given Pierre's letter (below). We end up reading the first 20 ‘interactions’ between Parmenides and Aristoteles in the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), and discuss its conclusions regarding the Self. Topic Highlights Pre-discussion: Pierre asks EricG to go over his paper comparing his understanding of midwifery (actually, the pathologos)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM
Synopsis On this Friday night, we Jitsi with Pierre, still on Book 24 of Homer's Iliad . He has us looking primarily at how anger is dissolved in the primary combatants, as well as the others; what dissolves it; whether this work can thus be a model for our lives. Pierre's Questions to Us How can we tie the beginning of this work to the end? Is there a relationship? As Zeus lays out his plan, it plays itself out among all the people in book 24. What did each of them learn? How did it affect...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday-night continuing to explore the autos -- Greek word 'αυτο' (Self) -- in the Iliad, Book 24, their usage, and implications, this time especially with how Self is used with reference to the gods. (Lines 105-198; Fitzgerald pages 571-3) Topic Highlights How are the gods functioning in book 24? How would you describe the order in the conversation that took place between zeus and the other gods that takes up 1/2 of that chapter? What is going on? What is zeus achieving? How is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Barbara leads our NS Friday night gang through some more of the occurrences of 'αυτο' (Self), found in Homer's Iliad, Book 23. (She has made a list, in two formats, which we follow -- see below, in Study Materials.) Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but one is ISBN-10: 0374529051, ISBN-13: 978-0374529055). This can sometimes also be found online in PDF format. Balboa Translation : Our...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
This Friday night was three-part: First, DonB gives us a talk on the latest work he has been doing on the abiding, proceeding, and returning of the Self. Next (starting at about 0:23:15) Pierre has us consider two main uses of the idea of 'Self'. Finally, we get into Homer's Iliad again (Book 23), with the Fitzgerald version, and Barbara's notes on the autos. Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Feb 14, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight we continue looking at the auto's in Book 23 of Homer's Iliad . Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but one is ISBN-10: 0374529051, ISBN-13: 978-0374529055). This can sometimes also be found online in PDF format. Balboa Translation : Our own Juan and Maria Balboa offer their helpful Greek-English interlinear and colorized translation of the Iliad (with the auto's translated properly...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
Synopsis Pierre's nicely prepared talk in response to a request from a nearby local Jungian society chapter, for a discussion of what was the inner voice ('daemon') of Socrates. The 6 diagrams are stored as JPEGs in the Download Options menu on this page. This is the second short talk of 3 talks given on the same Friday night. Because the content of each talk was so different, I split them up into 3 separate archive items: Part 1: Socrates' Understanding of Zeno's position in Plato's Parmenides...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, symposium, theology-of-plato, book07, proclus
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Feb 7, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We continue with Homer's Iliad , Fitzgerald edition, looking at the auto's (Self), with Barbara helping us with her prepared review of these, and how the meaning changes when auto is translated as Self. In particular, today we look at Achilles in the games, after the funeral. In each of these games/contests, Achilles makes a referee judgement. What do each of these judgements mean when they are taken together? What can we say therefore about Achilles and his state of mind? We may also...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Synopsis Pierre opens up the question of what is a daemon in the Platonic world. Since Plato has emphasized rational daemons (such as the daemon, Love , in his Symposium , we have studied these before. Tonight Pierre reviews these, but also asks, what, then, is an irrational daemon? Note: Pierre later shared with me that he was not satisfied with tonight's talk, and that the talk he prepared and gave two weeks later on February 7th was much better organized and thought out. Topic Highlights...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, theology-of-plato, symposium, timaeus, cratylus, book07, chap45,...
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Jan 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads us through another Friday night, continuing our investigation of how 'properly' translating the 'autos' in Homer's Iliad raises the level of meaning in this work. We are, as usual, indebted to the great work of our own Barbara Stecker, who has identified and listed the locations in Book 23 where the autos occur, and provided possible re-interpretations of these phrases for us to consider. Pierre continues to have us ponder last week's question, but slightly reworded: Why...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Synopsis We continue our study of Homer's Iliad , this week jumping forward to Book 23. Pierre asks us to consider why the Greeks stop to participate in games. Why does Homer include this? Why is it necessary to the work? And also: Why at this point (Book 23) in the work? Why not earlier? We look at the first few occurrences of auto (Self) using the list of Self occurrences that Barbara provided for us (forthcoming). Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Jan 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the group through the rest of Book 11 of Homer's Iliad , with Barbara's help identifying and re-translating all the places where (αυτο, auto, “Self”) is not translated faithfully by Fitzgerald. This is in essence, a review of the homework assignment he gave us last week . Again, the questions are the same: How does Homer use the idea of “Self” (αυτο, auto)? Why does every translation of Homer's Iliad (and many other Greek works, including the New Testament)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book11, homer
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Dec 27, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Having been studying Homer's Iliad lately, tonight Pierre gets us into Book 11, again considering the places where translators have traditionally not translated the word for “Self” (αυτο, auto) indeed as Self. We do not complete Book 11 tonight, but Pierre asks us to do so on our own for next week's meeting. How does Homer use the idea of “Self” (αυτο, auto)? Why does every translation of Homer's Iliad (and many other Greek works, including the New Testament) ignore the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book11, homer
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Dec 13, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight in this short talk, Pierre has us focus on only one page (235 in most of the Fitzgerald printings, i.e., lines 145-208) of Book 10 of Homer's Iliad . Barbara has identified four uses of Self (αυτο) in these lines, and she reads the text, replacing the Fitzgerald translation with her own translation of Self (or selves) in these places. Pierre has us consider the difference(s). Is Homer giving the idea of Self an autonomous existence? What kind of a role are selves playing?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book10, homer
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Synopsis Before starting with dreams tonight, we got going with coffee and this question from Pierre. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191129NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or...
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Nov 22, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here . Thank you, Barbara. Pierre's chart from this evening is posted as a JPEG in the Download Options menu. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191122NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book10, homer
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Synopsis We held a little birthday party for Pierre on a Friday night, as usual around this time of year. (Not recorded) Then afterwards (recorded here), Pierre engaged us in a couple of dialogues on a similar theme: What is the relationship between daemons and the Logos? Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191115NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, symposium, parmenides
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Nov 8, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Pierre skips Iliad discussion tonight and opens it up to us for some good old question and answer.. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191108NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or...
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Nov 1, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight we finish reading Book 9 of Homer's Iliad , and consider Achilles' (Akhilleus') response to Lord Phoenix's speech. While reading, we consider the role of αυτο (auto, or 'Self') where it appears in the text. Next week: Book 10 Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here ....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
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Oct 25, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight Pierre points to the kinds of parallels we might work on finding between the two stories Lord Phoenix tells (of his own life, and of the saga of Meléagros) and Akhilleus' situation. Highlights How alert/aware is Lord Phoenix to what he is doing? (Bradley: And why now?) Barbara reads Book 9, from about Line 400 / page 219 in many printings (“Akhilleus, if it is true you set your heart on home..”) to “..even though you turn the tide of war.” (Fitzgerald) Comparing a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
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Oct 11, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We continue with our (re)exploration of Homer's Iliad . This week, we read the Fitzgerald translation of part of Book 9. First we read Achilles' speech, his answer to Odysseus about how he feels about himself and the situation. Then we move on to Lord Phoenix's re-telling of his own raising of Achilles and we take beginning note of how the things that happened to Lord Phoenix match 1-for-1 to the things that happened to Achilles -- an indication of a likely pathologos transmission....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
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Sep 27, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190927NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
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Sep 13, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This is the 2nd session of looking at the  'αυτο's ('Self's) in Plato's diaglogue, First Alcibiades . (The first session was last week, Sept 6 .) For this occasion, Juan and Maria Balboa have supplied us with a quick translation of Stephanus pages 128d-135d (the end of the dialogue). Nancy and Eldar come to the front of the room and read from this new translation. This is basically all we do in this week's session -- no subsequent discussion. We will not meet next week (9/20) but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
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Sep 6, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We begin taking a look at all the auto's (self's) in the Greek of Plato's First Alcibiades, and considering how a retranslation of each or some of these makes any difference to the dialogue. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190906NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
Synopsis Pierre asks us: “Knowing The Role of Self in Plato, the Gospel of John, Homer's Iliad, and Proclus: What Difference Has it Made for You?” Highlights Have you come to know the role of the Self in Plato, the Gospel of John, Homer's Iliad, and Proclus? If so, what effect has it had on your life? When would you have liked to know this? Gospel of Mark - it's not in there. Is there a denial going on? If there is, it is consistent with the writings of Paul. How would psychology be...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, gospel-of-mark, iliad, homer, mark
Synopsis As is some times the case, the evening began impromptu: Only a few had so far trickled in, so Pierre picked up conversations with each of us to see what we are into. He landed on JulieH, who had finished her transcripts of the July 4th (NSSPE) and 6th (NSSAT) gatherings, and had brought along a copy of the July 6th transcript. The discussion was not on camera, but Regina and I caught it on our audio-recorders.  In later segments (before and after the evening's dream work ), Pierre...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Aug 16, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre has us consider the central place of Book 20 in Homer's Iliad , and how the gods are functioning in this work. Highlights What would a Greek see in Book 20? Why is Book 20 necessary? Why is Book 20 central to the work? How is each of the gods functioning, and what is the response of Zeus? Are all the gods inspiring both the Trojans and the Acheians? What effect would these conclusions have on you as a Greek? Are there gods? Do they share the same vision (with each other)? Do...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book20, homer
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Aug 9, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis For the third week now, we review Book 18 of Homer's Iliad . We are looking over what Achilles' learned from his reflections. Pierre opens by putting up on the board: Could Achilles'reflections just prior to his enlightenment experience have been a factor in that experience? Did that experience resolve his problems? Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book18, homer
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Synopsis Pierre breaks down into eight stages the states of mind (detailed in Book 18) that Achilles goes through in order to break through and see into his problem. Study Materials We read from the Robert Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (ISBN-10: 0374529051, ISBN-13: 978-0374529055). This can sometimes also be found online in PDF format. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book18, homer
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Synopsis We return to Book 18 (having looked at it three times before ) looking again at how the occurrences of 'αυτο' (Self) are used, and if we can discern any pattern. We don't come to any conclusions yet, but it is a good evening to consider a number of possibilities for each quote. Barbara has made some slight corrections to her list of the auto's in Book 18, and we use the update. Pierre starts out the session writing the following on the board: “If there is said to be a major idea...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book18, homer
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Jul 12, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190712NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book11, homer
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Jun 28, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190628NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book10, homer
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Jun 21, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190621NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
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Jun 14, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190614NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer, NSDRM
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190531NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, grimes, PMW
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May 24, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190524NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and "Support the Project" section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to "Make this a monthly donation", as well -- rather than just one-time...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, theology-of-plato, philosophical-midwifery, proclus, grimes
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May 10, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tenth in Pierre's latest series of Friday night dialogues on Homer's Iliad . Barbara has worked hard to update her work on the auto's in the Iliad, this time from Book 21. As we had limited time left after dreams, we only picked a few (#'s 1, 6, 10, 15, 16, and 25) to work on. Next week we will continue. Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο'...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book21, homer
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May 3, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Ninth in Pierre's latest series of Friday night dialogues on Homer's Iliad . We continue on with Barbara's help, looking at the 'αυτο's (Self's) in book 20, and considering how they are used. Study Materials Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here . Thank you, Barbara. We are reading from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad, as Juan Balboa...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book20, homer
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Synopsis Eighth in Pierre's latest series of Friday night dialogues on Homer's Iliad . Rather than split up our Friday evening into the usual 2-part dreams and dialog, this evening we had three parts. (This is probably due to people wandering in slowly at the beginning, so we had a small group, and just circled around to chat, first. When it became obvious to me that this was turning into a serious talk, I turned on the camera. The mikes were giving me guff, though, so please hang in there.)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, chap19, homer
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Apr 19, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Seventh in Pierre's latest series of Friday night dialogues on Homer's Iliad . We continue working on Book 18, and come closer to seeing how the word auto (Self) is used in Homer's 18th book. At the beginning, before the camera is rolling, Pierre asks us if anyone completed the homework assignment given last Friday. No one has, although Bradley has some notes he took when he tried, and we start from there. Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. A copy of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer
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Apr 12, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Sixth in the latest series of Friday night talks on the Iliad. Barbara makes a great list (forthcoming) of the occurrences of 'αυτο' (Self) in the text of Book 18 of Homer's Iliad , and we start from the beginning of Chapter 18 and read through it, stopping and considering each one of these occurrences and what they might mean together as a whole. Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book18
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Apr 5, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Fifth in the latest series of Friday night talks on the Iliad. Pierre asks us to look at the occurrences of Self (auto) in books 18, 19, and 20. Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here . Thank you, Barbara. Pierre's chart from this evening is posted as a JPEG in the Download...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book18, book19, book20
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Mar 29, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Fourth in the latest series of Friday nights on the Iliad. Pierre skips us up to Book 18 to look at a quote with an enlightenment experience and the use of auto (Self). Discussion ensues. Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here . Thank you, Barbara. More Info Pierre Grimes and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book18
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Mar 22, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis In this third Friday in the recent Iliad series, we continue to look (using the Balboa translation ) for occurrences of 'αυτο' (Self) in the text of Book 1 of Homer's Iliad , and consider which of these and which should not be with a capital 'S' (Self). Pierre encourages us to gather now all of these together with the work we have done, and see if we can find a pattern in how Homer is using the idea of Self in the Iliad. Next week we will move on to Book 2 and continue our search....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book01
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Mar 15, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A continuation of last week . Pierre has us go over 2 or 3 quotes in Book 1 of Homer's Iliad, where 'auto' (Self) and 'logos' are used in the Homeric Greek, and asks us to consider: Do these quotes raise the level of reflection and add another dimension to the work? More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book01
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Mar 8, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads us through the Balboa translation of Homer's Iliad , Book 1, looking for occurrences of αυτο ('auto'), and considering how it might raise the meaning and significance of the Iliad if these are translated directly as 'Self'. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book01
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Mar 1, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Most of our time this week got taken up with dream explorations, so we did not have time for the usual talk/dialogue (Iliad was scheduled). But Pierre gives us a peak at what we will be doing next week, then. He refers, as usual, to the Balboa edition . More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book05
Synopsis Per Barbara's suggestion, Pierre lays out a powerful meditation one can do, based on an analogy in Plato's Republic and element 148 of Proclus' Elements of Theology . Later he shows the similarity of this analogical meditation to a meditation he has before (many times) suggested, what we have sometimes called the “Xenophanes meditation”, (“What is seeing, hearing, and thinking?”, which is an adaptation of the qctual quote from a fragment from Xenophanes, “It is the whole that...
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Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, elements-of-theology, republic, fragments, proclus, xenophanes
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Feb 15, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre starts us back into Homer's Iliad again. He begins by asking what it is we are looking for in the Iliad? And why did it gain the status among the Greeks of a sacred scripture? He has us think about focusing on the turn-about of Achilles, the roles of gods and men, and the significance, if any, of the idea of self, myself, selves, etc. It is on this last point that we spend most of the session, collecting all the quotes (from the Balboa translation) where self ('αυτο') is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer, book01
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Synopsis Beginning next week, we'll be going back into Homer's Iliad , jumping into Book 9, and considering it from the angle of the pathologos that Achilles inherited from Phoenix. So Pierre gives us a brief introduction to prepare for next week's reading. Credits Thank you to Regina for contributing her personal audio recording so I could repair the originally faulty audio here from 0:00:16 to 0:08:04. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, homer
Synopsis Pierre leads us through the Balboa translation of Proclus' Elements of Theology , selected propositions which may be read as referring to the pathologos of Pierre's book, Philosophical Midwifery (ISBN-10: 0964819112, ISBN-13: 978-0964819115). More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, elements-of-theology, proclus
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Jan 18, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Bradley has been going back over the “Orange Sutra” -- Pierre's book on Philosophical Midwifery, and asked Pierre some questions on it, which led to a wider issue Pierre has been considering lately -- the implied necessity for metaphysics, indeed, for theology -- once one understands the importance of the pathologos. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1
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Jan 11, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre gives us an evening of thoughts on Marsilio Ficino, the great/first translator of Plato into Latin, and Ficino's broad understanding of the ancient Greek philosophers, and the alchemists. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, liber-de-arte-chemica, ficino
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Synopsis This is the third part in a very loose/informal "series" of discussions on Carl Jung's Psychology and Alchemy . Alchemy as essentially philosophy carried on in disguise so as to survive under the repression of the Church. Self: the Philosopher's Stone. Part One could be considered our Saturday coffee talk on Hume, Jung, Bohm, and Cause , in which Jung was one of several discussed. Part Two was an impromptu talk Pierre gave last week when he was filling in for JulieH on giving...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, psychology-and-alchemy, jung